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in romney's favor. last night, the show was all about biden versus biden. so the vice president gave both sides a lot to latch on to. for the democratic base, it was a great performance. biden went out and did exactly what president obama did not do in his first debate. he pressed his opponent. he gave an aggressive performance. for paul ryan, he stood on the stage or sat, in this case, and was able to hold his own against the vice president. >> so keith, do you think that congressman ryan held his own? >> i do not. >> surprise. i knew you were going to -- >> obviously mitt romney did a much better job, i think, last week. i don't think this -- >> let me pause you on that. you think mitt romney did a better job because so many democrats were saying the reason that the president struggled is because he was being hit with untruths and inaccuracies by mitt romney. how did that come as a better job when today you're not hear a lot of hard fact check at least rebuttal on what congressman ryan -- you may disagree with the policy plan but his facts in many cases were not as opposed as mitt romne
with normforme governor romney's. >> good afternoon to you, alex. this is a town hall debate, so both are tailoring to that. mitt romney is sparring with ohio senator rob partman. i'm told he's already engaged in several telephone town halls. he's had several time to prep leading up to today. those who know mitt romney say this really plays to his strength. romney's challenge is going to be match the performance he delivered in the first debate. and that gets us to president obama. he has to sharpen his performance after the first debate that many described as lack laster. the aides say they're going to adjust his strategy. they're here working on that. they will only say that president obama is again spars with senator john kerry and reading through a lot of materials to get ready for the debate. reporters who are at president obama's hotel where he's prep e preparing right now have already seen a number of advisers walking around with thick binders. so clearly preparations and practice has begun for the day. but president obama's spothers say in order to win the debate has to deliv
. obama would like to have spending end up at 23%. romney and ryan both want it down at 20%. so there's a clear difference, and they all agree on where it should go. what gets interesting is as you dig into the detail of what gets cut, and you'll see some very, i think, fascinating differences among these guys. so on social security, as you heard president obama say in the last debate, the three guys are actually in the same place. they want to spend the same amount on social security in the next ten years. when you get to medicare, romney and ryan are in the same place, but romney actually a as you also heard him say, wants to repeal the $716 billion. it's actually $900 billion of cuts. he would spend more on medicare than ryan or obama. and then you have obamacare. >> let me ask you really quickly. if anybody has heard, let me know. has mitt romney said what he wants to do with the $716 billion? >> essentially it would be used to get his spending down to that 20% level because you're going to see in a minute, he has a bunch of other places he wants to spend money. >> spend the $716
's next campaign event kicks off in less than an hour in ohio. tomorrow both mitt romney and president obama will be hunkered down, prepping for the next presidential debate. tuesday town hall format. i want to bring the brain trust in for a few more minutes if we can. jennifer rubin, the "washington post" there is bob, there is kevin. jennifer, i want to start with you. what more will we be talking about the morning after the debate? >> i'll give you a "new york post" kind of headline. 'bama bashed on benghazi. >> that's good. >> libya is becoming an issue, and joe biden actually opened up a couple of issues for him. you a drip, drip, drip now every day from "newsweek," from "new york times." a lot of finger-pointing going on between the state, between the intelligence community, the white house. i think the president is going to have to do some explaining. and i think mitt romney is probably going to begin to make this one of his top issues. >> kevin? >> the latest faked up scandal by the republicans, the nonscandal in benghazi. the headline is going to be signs of life, because i th
maintain the romney momentum? >> this is a classic case where both sides of the aisle people saw what they wanted to see. >> joining me now is brad woodhouse, communications director of the democrat national committee. thanks for joining us today. >> thanks, richard. >> the vice president is being hammered by people who say he was laughing inappropriately, very energetic certainly. smirking, interrupting frequently. let's play some of those moments for our viewers, first. >> under a romney administration, we will have credibility on this issue. >> vice president biden? >> it's incredible. >> thank heaven which have these sanctions in place. >> oh, god. >> it's been discredited by six other studies. over 100 criminal investigations. >> martha. >> go ahead. >> martha, look. >> here is some of what the republicans are saying about the vice president's performance last night. >> reminded me of al gore in 2000 walking over and standing by president bush sort of getting in his space. >> i don't know if he thought this was a joke but he was laughing a lot. >> it was bizarre. i thought it was
're both there. romney kicks off a two-day ohio journey, he'll be back in ohio again on friday. meanwhile the president holds an evening rally at ohio state university in columbus. by the way romney starts his day on a family farm in central iowa. another midwestern battleground state. paul ryan does his debate prep today in florida. the vice president signalled a new urgency to voters saying, quote, i very much sbeintend ton this election, but we're only going to do it if everybody is obsessive between now and then. >> we cannot afford to be complacent and we can't afford to be cynical. we can't do it if you've got someone who writes off half the nation before the election, but it's not going to happen if half the nation writes off itself by not voting. >> i had a bunch of people say don't be so polite, don't be so nice. i want everybody to understand something. what what was being presented wasn't leadership, that's cease manship. . >> and then the president took the muppets attack on mitt romney. turning the says my street comments from romney about ending federal subsidies into pbs in
. the fight for florida is a statistical dead heat. and romney has narrowed the gap this ohio, although the buckeye state, what every republican needs to win the white house, is still solidly in obama's corner. >> this is the conversation we were having before both conventions. so almost as everything has been erased. >> i think it accounts for the hemorrhaging that they let romney back in. >> joining me now is ed schultz host of the ed show. and let's start with this. congressman ryan as well as the chairman both trying to set the stage for tonight. let's listen. >> joe biden's been on will stage many times before. this is my first time. so, sure, it's a nervous situation. because joe biden is one of the most experienced debaters we have in modern politics. >> this is miss firhis first ti. joe biden's been doing this since the 1800s. he'll do a solid job. >> so when you listen to this, the base was pretty upset last night. you were quite passionate after the debate. will biden bring the old meat ax tonight? >> i don't think vice president biden will win or lose the election tonight, bu
's lead. the buckeye stops here. there's no question this race has tightened up. both president obama and mitt romney know the key to winning the election is winning the critical swing state of ohio. the president arrived there late today, and he went right after governor romney. >> i am not going to have us go back to another round of top-down economics, but that's what my opponent is offering. the centerpiece of governor romney's economic plan is a new $5 trillion tax cuts that favors the wealthiest americans, but most of the economists who have crunched the numbers said that paying for governor romney's tax plan -- one or the other. pick your poison. last week when we were on stage together. governor romney just pretended it didn't exist. what $5 trillion tax cut? i don't know anything about a $5 trillion tax cut. pay no attention for that tax cut under the carpet behind the curtain. >>> romney's pretending his tax cut plan doesn't exist, but the president won't let him get away with it. he also won't let him get away with hitting the middle class to protect his
. ryan has to defend both his record and mitt romney's, and in some cases, those two tasks midi verge. the bottom line for ryan, he has to prove he's ready to be president. that is tonight's most important test, and one that i think a lot of people miss when it comes to what a vp debate means. ryan's readiness, of course, on foreign policy, that's going to come up as well. tonight's 90-minute debate is divided between domestic and foreign policy, and moderator martha raddatz says she will alternate between the two in nine ten-minute segments. each segment will have a response followed by untimed discussion. libya will indeed come up tonight. speaking of libya, that was the subject of a heated congressional hearing yesterday that was one part spectacle and one part substance. the bottom line, no part of the hearing was good for the white house. two former security officers from the libyan mission testified that their requests for help were either turned down or ignored. >> i asked for 12 agents. his response to that was you're asking for the sun, moon, and the stars. you know what make
of weeks. and we can also tell you that both paul ryan and mitt romney were on the record yesterday about this situation down in libya, and what vice president joe biden said in thursday night's debate. the republicans believe they caught him contradicting the state department. listen to what these two republicans had to say on the trail yesterday. >> the vice president directly contradicted the sworn testimony of state department officials. he's doubling down on denial. >> this is not what leadership looks like. we need clarity, not confusion. we need accountability, and no more excuses. >>> now ohio may ultimately be the state that turns this election one way or another. as we mentioned earlier the president still holding a lead here. obviously the auto bailout a big factor alex. about one in eight jobs are related to the auto industry. the president approved that bailout of general motors and chrysler. governor romney favored a managed bankruptcy. we'll have to see if he can make up the ground with 23 days to go. as you mentioned crisscross the state today. paul ryan will head up to mi
to address both of them and win the white house. >> would mitt romney take us to war against iran? >> i don't know, because i don't know what his policy is, ed. i think his policy, from what i've heard and talked to some of his advisers about, is almost identical with president obama's. but in order to establish a gap between them, he seems to be saying things that would indicate, yes, he would take us to war, yet again, in western asia. >> romney talked about military spending today. here's how he's going to spend tax dollars. here it is. >> i'll restore our navy to the size needed to fulfill our missions by building 15 ships per year, including three submarines. i will implement effective military defenses. >> where's he getting the money for this? and is all that necessary? >> that's a good question. we did a study at the center for american progress and the institute for policy studies, former assistant secretary of defense was on the board with me. we showed how if you cut national security spending, ed, not just the pentagon, but everything across the board, va, does you can cut a tri
continues. biden is in wisconsin and mitt romney is virginia before heading to ohio to meet up with paul ryan. let's get the reactions from both sides. cheering vice president biden, the happy warrior after his aggressive performance one that republicans are describing as condescending and disrespectful. look how the new york post put it. the contrast wasn't just between biden and ryan but between biden and president obama. the cover, vote for joe, vp shows obama how to debate. inside, smirky biden upstages his boss. with me, former ohio governor and former democratic ted strickland. did he show up the boss? >> no, but he showed up paul ryan and that's what i think is was important. he showed a lot of heart. joe biden in my judgment is not only a good public servant and good political leader but he's a good human being. he cares deeply about this country and the people who have been left behind, the struggling middle class. that came across last night. >> i had a democratic say to me if you want the passion, you're going to get stuff that you don't like. it was some of the smirks and sor
. i share this hope. but hope san strategy. >> the new mitt romney does not even flinch when he makes a blatantly false accusation. >> i'll champion free trade and restore it as a critical element of our strategy. both in the middle east and across the world. the president has not signed one new free trade agreement in the past four years. i'll reverse that failure. >> romney's correct, the president has not signed one new trade agreement. in fact, the president of the united states has signed three new trade agreements. deit last year with bipartisan support from congress. the new mitt romney hopes you forgot about those trade agreements. just like he hopes you forgot about his own position on foreign aid. >> i'll make further reforms no our foreign assistance to create sentence for good governance, free enterprise and free trade. in the middle east and beyond. rally friends to match our generosity to theirs. >> previously mitt romney took his cues from foreign aid from rick perry. >> one of the things we have to do with our foreign aid commitments, the ongoing foreign aid commitment
part a home away from home for both the obama and the romney campaigns. they're spending a lot of time here, a lot of money here because of the role that ohio may ultimately play and who wins this election come november 6. last night mitt romney and paul ryan played to a large crowd in lancaster, ohio. there was a lot of enthusiasm, a lot of excitement in the air. and in large part because they believe the republicans believe they've won these first two debates. governor mitt romney had a pretty strong performance out in denver ten days ago. paul ryan had a pretty solid performance two nights ago down in kentucky. but that excitement and energy notwithstanding there's a lot of work left to be done for this ticket here in ohio. the president still shows a lead here in ohio, even though that lead has been chipped into over the last week or two, by about half in some of these polls. putting mitt romney within striking distance of the president. now, he may still, mitt romney may still have a challenge, a hurdle to clear with some undecided voters here. and that's surrounding this auto bai
of the senate if they can get four seats, if romney wins the white house that number drops to three. welcome both. i'm guessing this is the only time you put on suits now. does the winner of the presidential decide control of the state senate? there's no question that it impacts races. we have said from the beginning that we think senate races can stand on their own. >> if mitt romney wins the presidency, what chances do democrats have of retaining control of the united states? >> when you look at the battleground states that you listinged. after of those states are republican held seats. >> can you gain control if president obama wins re-election? >> sure, chuck and here's why, we're win right now in connecticut, we're winning in wisconsin. we got a little separation last week or so. governor romney's strong performance, really the resurgence for the party so we feel like we have a great path to the majority with or without governor romney winning. >> let me start with a virginia. can george allen win without mitt romney carrying the state? >> obviously it would be easier if romney won the
is the one that resonates and pushes the envelope the most and i think the same is true for the romney/ryan ticket in reverse in talking about the extreme impact of the policies of this administration with 23 million unemployed, 1 in 6 in poverty, et cetera. so dwrur going to see both of them try to take those elements of the campaign. >> here is my key thing on romney r50i9 now. remember last month when governor romney was on "60 minutes" he said if you have a heart attack in your apartment, his phrase, the government provides health care by putting you in an ambulance and taking you to the er to get treated. well, now he's saying people don't die because they lack insurance. he told the columbus dispatch editorial board, quote, we don't have a setting across this doesn't where if you don't have issues he say, tough luck, you're going to die when you have your heart attack. no, you go to the hospital, you get treated, you get care, and it's paid for, either by charity, the government or by the hospital. we don't have people that become ill, who die in their apartment because they don'
to win this thing. >> both candidates campaigning heavily in your state, mitt romney was in virginia thursday at a coal mining rally. the president was at george mason university on friday. president obama won the commonwealth in 2008. to have a repeat performance there, what's it going to take? i know you mentioned a speaking specifically to pocketbook issues. beyond that, what's it going to take? >> well, i actually think this has been a deeply substantive election. i don't think it's been about the gaffes and the personalities. if you look in virginia, women are voting overwhelmingly for the president. and the democratic party. and that's not because of gaffes, that's because of a substantive difference of who they think cares about women. whether that's on women's health or women's economics. you've seen a real shift of concerns about medicare. that's because i think the president is protecting medicare and increasing benefits. whereas romney/ryan want to get rid of that. and in manufacturing you've seen for the first time really in years, a significant increase in manufacturing
of romney in iowa and ohio in particular. they've got to rest one, probably both of those states away from barack obama. >> for all the swing states and those of you don't wake up with a map staring at you like chuck todd and myself, this is assuming mitt romney wins, florida, north carolina, virginia, colorado and nevada. a lot of swing states. he has to win two out of three out of ohio, wisconsin, iowa. i don't think he's going to win wisconsin. >> he has to win one of them. if he swept all those others he just had to win one. >> romney would? >> yes. >> if romney wins ohio, he's still -- >> he gets there. or he win iowa. he just has to win one of these midwestern states. >> which one is the best target for him? >> i think it's -- organizationally, i would say it's ohio. i don't know. i think both ohio and iowa are hard. >> mike i agree with you. i'm thinking iowa. >> i think there are huge organizational holes that romney dug for himself in both of those states. >> chuck, it's donny. you talked a lot and i found this fascinating about kind of enthusiasm gap as far as that energizing. i
by on your side is the fact that both governor romney and congressman ryan say we are not going to make any cuts in the defense budget. it is the largest single piece of the federal budget, and i don't know any chief petty officer or master sergeant for that matter who wouldn't say, look, there are some ways to find some savings here without diminishing in any way our capacity to protect the national security of the united states. is it completely off the table? and if it is, how do you ever get to the deficit reduction that you need to without making some of the trims and making it more efficient? >> no, tom, it's never been completely off the table, and it's just not an accurate statement. we have always said that everything should be on the table. and i, for one, would never say you can defend every dollar and cent being spent at the pentagon. but what we do know right now is the question before us is is looming sequester. and that has serious implications so far as our ability as americans to be seeming a global power because if that sequester hits, i don't think there's any question th
you both. >>> even on his running mate, mitt romney cannot tell the truth. stay with us. >> i don't know how paul will deal with this debate. obviously, the vice president has done, i don't know, 15 or 20 debates during his lifetime. experienced debater. in is, i think, paul's first debate. i may be wrong. he may have done something in high school. i don't know. [ female announcer ] did you know the average person smiles more than 50 times a day? so brighten your smile a healthy way with listerine® whitening plus restoring rinse. it's the only rinse that makes your teeth two shades whiter and two times stronger. ♪ listerine® whitening... power to your mouth. [ male announcer ] you've reached the age where you don't back down from a challenge. this is the age of knowing how to make things happen. so, why let erectile dysfunction get in your way? talk to your doctor about viagra. 20 million men already have. ask your doctor if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take viagra if you take nitrates for chest pain; it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. side effects
. there was a piece in the washington post about the romney camp taking advice from both sides. you can see this in the confused nature of the foreign policy. but on the debate, again, the vagueness of it. saying, well, you agree in 2014, we do too, but and then there is that sort of -- it's very, very difficult for the romney campaign who desperately wants me to say we are not like this other guy who you don't like much, but we are. >> right. that's right. exactly. >> on the afghanistan time line, same thing. look, there is the issue of how many troops remain after 2014, 15,000, 10,000, what their abilities and what their duties will be. iran, for instance, it's like, well, i mean, there's -- we -- joe biden and barack obama have said that we will not allow iran to get a nuclear weapon. they disagreed on where this is and where the intelligence is on this. look, if you want paul ryan to be specific about it, what will you do? will you go to war? that's biden hectoring him. i think there's an opportunity for the left of the democratic party to say the same thing to joe biden. when we say we
people and otherwise about what this plan really is. >> yeah. >> so i think on both issues, biden put issues on the table that democrats needed to have on the table. >> now, governor, does that not me mean now that the debate between the president and mr. romney that privatization social security is is now on the table, there has to be a big different between the governor and the president now? >> right. but as e.j. said, the president made a very serious mistake because governor romney can go back and say, whoa, mr. president. didn't you say in our first debate that there are very little plans on social security? so why are you talking about this now? and that would be very confusing to voters. >> if the president pinned him down and said, my understanding now is that you're talking privatization. is that not what you're talking? >> and that would be -- >> i don't know that mr. romney wants to walk into that. >> because you're right. at that point the president gives him a choice. either repudiate his running mate or say privatization is on the table. >> and i don't know that he want
's one family that i met that put their kids through college with that one. the other family that both the husband and wife worked there. they're not going to be able to send their kids to dance lessons for god's sake. and this is mitt romney's way of making money. >> and no doubt about it. >> america has to see this, ed. america has to see this. this can't be the america we're heading to. we have to stop this from happening. >> we will continue to stay on this story. leo gerard of the steelworkers. again, a nonunion shop in freeport, illinois. the union is just speaking up for these workers. that's "the ed show." i'm ed schultz. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. good evening, rachel. great job quarterbacking the show last night. i used to be a quarterback, but i'm just your offensive lineman right now. i kind of -- i really do enjoy that, by the way. >> ed, there is nothing offensive about you anymore. thank you. it was a great night. i am so looking forward to tuesday, i can hardly stand it. usually i look forward to the weekend. now i just can't help but look forward to the
romney specifically embrace simpson-bowles or does he not? he gave us both answers in the last debate. what is your understanding of the governor's approach, he's a presidential candidate, to simpson-bowles? yes or no. >> the governor's approach to simpson-bowles it's a step in the right direction, right. >> but he has his own plan and his own plan would, you know, does not involve some of the components of simpson bowls. as it relates to that, you know, on that issue, he's been pretty clear. he's got his own plan -- >> he hasn't been clear. >> okay. time-out. mitt romney did one thing that everybody acknowledges, even though in his own party, which is pivot further towards the center. paul ryan's budget has been declared by some folks, some analysts, including those in the republican party, to be a fairly strong document win that takes specific stances on the american social compact. do you think paul ryan will be defending mitt romney's moderate position tonight or mitt romney's previously severely conservative position of the campaign trail? >> he'll be presenting people with a har
done. >> it has never been done. >> jack kennedy lowered -- >> now you're jack kennedy? >> both campaigns are claiming victory. >> mr. ryan said that governor romney was a car guy. if they have an elevator stacked on their couch, i guess he was. >> there was one person on stage who was thought full, respect l respectful, steady and poised, the kind of person you want to turn to in a crisis and that was the next vice president of the united states, paul ryan. i see these obama rallies and they're chanting four more years. our cheer is four more weeks. >> guys, i have to say, that was easily my most favorite debate of the season so far. i think biden was the clear winner, gave democrats the shot of energy they needed, hammered them on the 47%, hammered him on lying, said the facts matter. the moment where they talked about abortion was so destructive because ryan said i'm going to make you all do what i believe in my catholic doctrine and biden said, hey, i believe this, i respect catholic doctrine but i'll let you do what you want to do and made the case that the supreme court i
. both president obama and governor romney have said they will prevent iran from getting a nuclear weapon. even if that means military action. last week, former defense secretary bob gates said a strike on iran's facilities would not work and, quote, could prove catastrophic, haunting us for generations. can the two of you be absolutely clear and specific to the american people how effective would a military strike be? congressman ryan? >> nuclear gain, nuclear weapons capability. now, let's take a look at where we've come from. when barack obama was elected, they had enough material, nuclear material to make one bomb, now they have enough for five. they're racing toward a nuclear weapon. they're four years closer to a nuclear weapons capability. we've had four different sanctions, on iran, three from the bush administration, one here. and the only reason why we got it is because russia watered it down and prevented the sanctions. from hitting the central bank. mitt romney proposed these sanctions in 2007 and in congress i've been fighting for these sanctions since 2009. the administratio
, but when you complain like this, it really is one of the ways that you can tell you're losing. on both sides. look, last week, even during the presidential debate between president obama and mitt romney, the obama campaign tried to push on twitter the idea that mitt romney was being inappropriately testy. they tried so hard to push the testy mitt idea. they tried so hard to make that into a thing that people should feel about that debate. >> he got testy about it. he got testy about being on defense. i think that came across to the american people. >> a testy governor romney who spent the entire time on defense. >> i think for some folks at home it probably came across a little testy. >> yeah, no. nice try. i mean, maybe mitt romney was testy, at the presidential debate, and maybe joe biden did laugh in paul ryan's face all night at the vice presidential debate. but that is in part because these guys, mitt romney and joe biden, were pumped and they were pumped because they were obviously winning their debates. and complaining about that does not change that. but the other person who wa
is that both sides agree with the 2014 plan to leave afghanistan, but that the romney and ryan side is making it conditional whereas the obama/biden side is making it definite. is that the distinction that vice president biden was trying to describe tonight? >> that's exactly right. it's a key distinction. the longest war in american history. the american people want those troops to come home. they want to turn over to the afghans the responsibility. you should have seen the needle jump on those networks that were following it with proud reaction when joe biden made that clear. finally, after two or three times hitting on it, paul ryan backed off of it. the fact is there. romney's been talking about conditions. the president and the vice president have said they're coming home 2014. >> why did vice president biden hammer paul ryan tonight on the issue of him requesting stimulus funds for his district? i get that he caught him in a little bit of hypocrisy, but he's not realistically criticizing paul ryan for having asked for funds that the democratic side maintains has worked well? >> here's p
" and krystal ball, co-host of "the cycle" also on msnbc. thank you both for being here. >> thanks, reverend. >> chris, let me start with you. does vice president biden need to point to the values of fairness in the ryan plan and now the romney/ryan plan? >> yeah. i think one of the things that was so remarkable and frustrating about the performance in the presidential debate was that romney seemed to essentially disown anything that he had previously advocated that was now unpopular. he pulled this remarkable u-turn. paul ryan -- it's going to be much harder for him to do that. he wrote the ryan plan. >> right. >> he can't run away from the plan that bears his name, the plan that bears his name that would voucherize medicare. so i think the key is for joe biden to take the modern republican party, particularly the modern republican house caucus and hang it around the neck of paul ryan. >> well, ryan wrote the budget, as you said, and ryan is named after -- and he is the one that made some of these votes. kind of hard to run away from it. krystal, when you look at his record, it seems right
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